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It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change.
        --Charles Darwin

Adapt or perish, now as ever, is nature's inexorable imperative.
        --H. G. Wells

Now, the interesting thing about Darwin's theory is that some more recent thought (and I can't remember who) has asserted that it isn't adaptabiliy per se that means that an organism is more likely to survive a particular environment. Some believe that due to natural change/mutation, some organisms just happen to end up better adapted for a particular environment, while the others that have changed in the wrong direction end up dying out.

I have no idea of the current status of the debate on how evolution works, but it's interesting food for thought - in the non-evolutionary sense, do we "pre-adapt" and fortuitously end up suiting a particular environment, and/or seek out environments that are better suited to us (if they are available), or are we chucked in it and have to adapt or die?

In the microcosmic sense, I think it's a bit of both... but adapting-on-the-fly is the weaker aspect. There is only so much change we can cope with at once. We have also built up various degrees of capability due to our innate qualities, and also the learned ones. So, of course, our lives consist of constantly adapting on the fly - most of the situations we encounter are novel in some way, even the routine ones. We aren't robots who can only deal with pre-programmed responses. Matters of degree, I suppose.

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Date: 2009-03-03 04:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marygriggs.livejournal.com
As a change manager, I like the questions you raised. What pushes evolution fascinates me. Serendipitously, I came across this article today where others link species survival to altruism.

Forget Survival of the Fittest: It Is Kindness that Counts (http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=kindness-emotions-psychology)

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Date: 2009-03-04 11:28 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] trixtah.livejournal.com
Yes, I really like theories that discuss altruism as a selection mechanism. It's certainly given rise to our societies and culture... and to great things like yoghurt and beer, from a fungus or bacterium's point of view, heh.

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Date: 2009-03-03 05:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] buddleia.livejournal.com
*jumps up and down with enthusiasm for favourite subject*
Actually, the perverse thing about evolution is that it's the stable, unchanging organisms that survive; the ones that change invariably do so with fatal results. Evolution, as I understand it, happens when a mutation first doesn't kill the organism and then makes it more likely to perpetuate itself and its nature. Have you read any Richard Dawkins? Ignore his rather don't-be-on-my-side approach to religion. As a cultural commentator, he makes, er, a brilliant zoologist. The Selfish Gene is fascinating.

ETA - I do realise that wasn't what you are talking about. I'm just a natural conversational rhino. *hides*

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Date: 2009-03-04 11:26 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] trixtah.livejournal.com
Yeah, I'm not a fan of Prof Dawkins, but I have read The Selfish Gene despite its really horrendously annoying title, and some of the conclusions towards the end. I suppose The Utilitarian Gene doesn't sound quite so sexy. :-)

I'll have to re-read the last bit again to remind myself of what I found so objectionable, but yeah, it's rare that mutations are beneficial in a given environment. I do know I can't stand 90% of what evolutionary psychologists wank on about with their essentialist twaddle (not to say we aren't governed by our biology in many respects, but you know...)

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Date: 2009-03-04 11:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] buddleia.livejournal.com
One of his later books was about the necessity and proliferation of altruism, I forget which.

'Evolutionary psychologist'? I had no idea there was such a thing, although I've seen some stupid, shallow crap thrown about by people pretending to be scientists. Such bollocks. The interesting thing about human behaviour is precisely the way in which it departs from the apparently evolutionarily beneficial.

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Date: 2009-03-04 11:51 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] trixtah.livejournal.com
Heh, it's like those people who aren't climate scientists saying "Human-created climate change is bollocks!@!!1!". I mean, how can anyone speculate on sociology or psychology if they weren't there and there were no such quaint things as written records (or decent archaelogical remains)? I saw a hilarious cartoon once with some archaelogists-of-the-future digging up a toilet pan, which was then displayed in the museum as "an urn to receive blood from human sacrifices". Such a crack-up.

As for the proliferation of altruism, I'm now thinking about those bacterium-thingies that discovered sex. You know with the one that extrudes a little pipe so it can "exchange genetic material" with the other one? Mmm, let me exchange my genetic material with you, baybeh!

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Date: 2009-03-06 04:12 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] aquaeri.livejournal.com
The quote from Darwin isn't (http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/news/2540/famous-darwin-quotes-are-wrong-says-scholar). And briefly, I don't think it's really sensible to drag in an argument about biological/genetic evolution and how it does and doesn't work, when it doesn't seem to be particularly applicable to what you actually want to think about.

(Sorry, being a grumpy evolutionary geneticist here.)

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Date: 2009-03-06 08:38 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] trixtah.livejournal.com
Well, I won't be using the Darwin "quote" then! At least I knew "survival of the fittest" wasn't his either.

As for dragging in potential arguments about evolution, I wasn't going to, actually. Thinking about the quotes I cited - and I don't really think it's innately bad to draw a simple analogy if that's as far as it goes - got me thinking about the debates in populist (and presumably academic) thinking on evolution, and I kind of jumped into that topic. I then jumped back out of it to think about what I was really considering (change and how much are we may deal with it due to our personality versus previously-learned lessons).

So, yes, more of a stream-of-consciousness there than ordered propositions and conclusions!

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Date: 2009-03-09 03:49 am (UTC)
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See Leslie Fish--Firestorm--01--Better Than Who.mp3 http://www.sendspace.com/file/3t75y2 . The lyrics are here: http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/l/leslie_fish/better_than_who.html

:)

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